The following discussion took place on the Analogue Heaven mailing list around 2002-08-28. Keywords: SIEL Mono, SIEL Cruise. André Majorel : I'd like to know if your Cruise has the same problem as my Mono. Namely, on the sawtooth oscillator, there is a parasitic sound that sounds like a second sawtooth but exactly four octaves higher. This happens only on the sawtooth ; square and pulse sound fine. The parasitic sound is not loud but since it's high pitched, it's quite audible. http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/mono/sawtooth/monosaw.wav - Low C http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/mono/sawtooth/monosaw2.wav - C to A On the above samples, the parasitic sound is very visible ; a sawtooth-ish wave whose period is 1/16th of the fundamental is riding on the back of the main sawtooth. It's been that way for as long as I remember. Any idea whether this is due to poor adjustement, or inherent to the design ? Sander Meyer : Yes I have the same problem. The following I posted to AH 3 years ago beat I didn't got an answer then: > The Cruise can make real nice bass sounds, but when you listen to > it trough a headphone, I hear a sort of second tone. For example > use the free mode above the bass preset and turn on the down the > resonance and move the cutoff a .bit up. You will hear a nice > bass sound, but you hear a higher sound as well. Here is an example of mine: http://www.smeyer.cistron.nl/cruise.mp3 Should there be a fix for it? I also wondered if it isn't possible to mod the Cruise so that poly parameters (filter, chorus) is available for all poly sounds? And cv/gate ins for the mono part Tony Allgood : I think this is probably due to the fact that the sawtooth is not a real sawtooth at all, but a mix of square waves at different octaves added together to give an approximate sawtooth. It should be possible to adjust the levels of these to give a very good sawtooth, but it will never that perfect. This is sometimes to a great advantage. The bass guitar preset on the SH2000 has a sawtooth feeding the filter. But the sawtooth is highly stepped due to its creation with square waves. This gives a nice edge to the sound and its very very close to the real thing. This is not easily done with ordinary saw VCOs.